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		<title>By: thomasfortenberry.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pope Celebrates Galileo Anniversary and Year of Astronomy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thomasfortenberry.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pope Celebrates Galileo Anniversary and Year of Astronomy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Deep Capture - Part IX &#171; The Situationist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Capture - Part IX &#171; The Situationist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of large commercial interests today, much like the power of the Catholic Church in Galileo’s day. Part V described other parallels between the Catholic Church and geocentrism, on one hand, and modern [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Deep Capture - Part VIII &#171; The Situationist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Capture - Part VIII &#171; The Situationist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of large commercial interests today, much like the power of the Catholic Church in Galileo’s day. Part V described other parallels between the Catholic Church and geocentrism, on one hand, and modern [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wesley Purdy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilbert Wesley Purdy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you planning on going one very big step further?  If the dispositional theory is false and the situational true, then hasn&#039;t the chain of situational outcomes that brings us to this historical point &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; selected the dispositional fallacy?  Why is the Consensual Reality of &quot;disposition&quot; better or worse than another?  If you are trying to take a totally neutral/scientific position I wonder if you have maintained the necessary tone.  Even some of the substance seems less than perfectly neutral.

There are potentially objective qualms with such extreme market domination as we have collectively chosen at this point.  One might objectively say: &quot;Extreme market orientations such as we are presently experiencing can only end in &#039;overgrazing,&#039; and, like the saber-toothed tiger, the society can only end in extinction by virtue of its own success.  For this reason we must overthrow the dispositional theory...&quot;  Now that might support your Galileo identification: begins to be on a par with &lt;i&gt;Neppure si muove&lt;/i&gt;.  Still, there is a great deal to the idea of establishing the behavioral facts, with no more context than is required to observe and interpret those facts, and letting them play out as they will in the society as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you planning on going one very big step further?  If the dispositional theory is false and the situational true, then hasn&#8217;t the chain of situational outcomes that brings us to this historical point <i>necessarily</i> selected the dispositional fallacy?  Why is the Consensual Reality of &#8220;disposition&#8221; better or worse than another?  If you are trying to take a totally neutral/scientific position I wonder if you have maintained the necessary tone.  Even some of the substance seems less than perfectly neutral.</p>
<p>There are potentially objective qualms with such extreme market domination as we have collectively chosen at this point.  One might objectively say: &#8220;Extreme market orientations such as we are presently experiencing can only end in &#8216;overgrazing,&#8217; and, like the saber-toothed tiger, the society can only end in extinction by virtue of its own success.  For this reason we must overthrow the dispositional theory&#8230;&#8221;  Now that might support your Galileo identification: begins to be on a par with <i>Neppure si muove</i>.  Still, there is a great deal to the idea of establishing the behavioral facts, with no more context than is required to observe and interpret those facts, and letting them play out as they will in the society as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Brandt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Brandt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Galileo example works if only as an illustration of the Churches immediate and excessive response to Galileo&#039;s philosophy and science. Institutions can change their collective minds, just like individual&#039;s can. 

An idea put forth by a person of lower status can become the ideology of a higher status group, especially if the idea presented effectively threatens the dominant nature of the high status group. I think it could be argued that the Catholic church accepted Galileo&#039;s ideas as a way to save face and save their status. Perhaps scholars of religious history have already examined this argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Galileo example works if only as an illustration of the Churches immediate and excessive response to Galileo&#8217;s philosophy and science. Institutions can change their collective minds, just like individual&#8217;s can. </p>
<p>An idea put forth by a person of lower status can become the ideology of a higher status group, especially if the idea presented effectively threatens the dominant nature of the high status group. I think it could be argued that the Catholic church accepted Galileo&#8217;s ideas as a way to save face and save their status. Perhaps scholars of religious history have already examined this argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Grue</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again with the Galileo example...  If the church was so successful at supressing his ideas, why did they commission and then support the publication of his most successful anti-Aristotelian work (the Dialogues)?  And why was everyone convinced by Galileo pretty quickly?

Also, it&#039;s not as if the Church was the only thing making Galileo&#039;s theories look implausible.  Galileo said that the earth was moving!  And quickly!  That&#039;s pretty ridiculous prima facia---even without the church that seems like contradicting the one thing that everyone just knows must be true.

So, maybe you&#039;re on to something with this deep capture stuff, but simply speaking in vague terms and using the same bad example over and over isn&#039;t very convincing.  Are there real cases of this?  Maybe with cigarettes, or environmental damage, or heath care?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again with the Galileo example&#8230;  If the church was so successful at supressing his ideas, why did they commission and then support the publication of his most successful anti-Aristotelian work (the Dialogues)?  And why was everyone convinced by Galileo pretty quickly?</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s not as if the Church was the only thing making Galileo&#8217;s theories look implausible.  Galileo said that the earth was moving!  And quickly!  That&#8217;s pretty ridiculous prima facia&#8212;even without the church that seems like contradicting the one thing that everyone just knows must be true.</p>
<p>So, maybe you&#8217;re on to something with this deep capture stuff, but simply speaking in vague terms and using the same bad example over and over isn&#8217;t very convincing.  Are there real cases of this?  Maybe with cigarettes, or environmental damage, or heath care?</p>
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