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	<title>Comments on: The Science of Morality</title>
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		<title>By: Neurolaw Sampler &#171; The Situationist</title>
		<link>http://thesituationist.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-science-of-morality/#comment-12124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neurolaw Sampler &#171; The Situationist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] see &#8220;Law &amp; the Brain,&#8221; &#8220;Pinker on the Situation of Morality,&#8221; &#8220;The Science of Morality,&#8221; and “Your Brain and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see &#8220;Law &amp; the Brain,&#8221; &#8220;Pinker on the Situation of Morality,&#8221; &#8220;The Science of Morality,&#8221; and “Your Brain and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wesley Purdy</title>
		<link>http://thesituationist.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-science-of-morality/#comment-10050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilbert Wesley Purdy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone who switched the trolly such that it struck the &lt;i&gt;five&lt;/i&gt; rather than the &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; would be considered to have done a horrifying evil.  Say that he or she recognized the &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; as the President of the United States and the judgments passed upon the act would vary widely.  A national funeral for the five victims would likely put all right again with most of the population.

Until the President is at risk, though, can we truly call this a &quot;moral&quot; dilemma?  If the President isn&#039;t at risk, the actor (the person, in this case, who chooses to actively direct the trolly), should he or she fully grasp the situation, reveals him- or herself to be profoundly psychotic or in possession of a valid decision-making process so radically different that we don&#039;t understand it and probably can&#039;t accept it.

Switching the trolly from the &lt;i&gt;five&lt;/i&gt; to the &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt;, on the other hand, is not necessarily considered &quot;moral&quot;.  To &lt;i&gt;actively&lt;/i&gt; participate in any death (especially the death of someone recognizably a member of some group with which the actor identifies) is so deeply forbidden that no socialized person can be blamed for forgoing it even at the cost of &lt;i&gt;passively&lt;/i&gt; participating in the death of five members of the same group.  

This works wonderfully well.  Why?  Because one often finds oneself in a position to kill a fellow group member and but trolly dilemmas virtually never present themselves in real life.  If trolly dilemmas were common, empathy would be trained, during the maturation process, to generalize the situation and to respond in the fashion that the society deemed most constructive -- &lt;i&gt;even if it was to switch the trolly toward the five&lt;/i&gt;.  

If empathy enters into the decision, does it establish a &quot;moral&quot; basis.  While moral constructs may begin with empathy, don&#039;t they have to go well beyond empathy -- well beyond a single basic constituent -- before they are properly called &quot;moral&quot;?  A moral position might be: &quot;Do not take an active part in such situations because each agent -- God/nature, man, man&#039;s constructs -- has, or is the result of, a free will and must be allowed to suffer the consequences as well as reap the benefits of their actions.&quot;

There have been quite a number of popular articles virtually identical to this over the past several decades (perhaps longer).  But do they really ponder &quot;morality&quot;.  Doesn&#039;t morality come into the picture -- isn&#039;t it so difficult and frustrating -- because it is precisely about going &lt;i&gt;beyond&lt;/i&gt; empathy, consciously over-riding empathy because empathy uncorrected by morality is too often destructive?  Consciously over-riding the deepest social bonds of groups because they are so too often destructive to the most recent version of an advanced society that corresponds historically to the given morality?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone who switched the trolly such that it struck the <i>five</i> rather than the <i>one</i> would be considered to have done a horrifying evil.  Say that he or she recognized the <i>one</i> as the President of the United States and the judgments passed upon the act would vary widely.  A national funeral for the five victims would likely put all right again with most of the population.</p>
<p>Until the President is at risk, though, can we truly call this a &#8220;moral&#8221; dilemma?  If the President isn&#8217;t at risk, the actor (the person, in this case, who chooses to actively direct the trolly), should he or she fully grasp the situation, reveals him- or herself to be profoundly psychotic or in possession of a valid decision-making process so radically different that we don&#8217;t understand it and probably can&#8217;t accept it.</p>
<p>Switching the trolly from the <i>five</i> to the <i>one</i>, on the other hand, is not necessarily considered &#8220;moral&#8221;.  To <i>actively</i> participate in any death (especially the death of someone recognizably a member of some group with which the actor identifies) is so deeply forbidden that no socialized person can be blamed for forgoing it even at the cost of <i>passively</i> participating in the death of five members of the same group.  </p>
<p>This works wonderfully well.  Why?  Because one often finds oneself in a position to kill a fellow group member and but trolly dilemmas virtually never present themselves in real life.  If trolly dilemmas were common, empathy would be trained, during the maturation process, to generalize the situation and to respond in the fashion that the society deemed most constructive &#8212; <i>even if it was to switch the trolly toward the five</i>.  </p>
<p>If empathy enters into the decision, does it establish a &#8220;moral&#8221; basis.  While moral constructs may begin with empathy, don&#8217;t they have to go well beyond empathy &#8212; well beyond a single basic constituent &#8212; before they are properly called &#8220;moral&#8221;?  A moral position might be: &#8220;Do not take an active part in such situations because each agent &#8212; God/nature, man, man&#8217;s constructs &#8212; has, or is the result of, a free will and must be allowed to suffer the consequences as well as reap the benefits of their actions.&#8221;</p>
<p>There have been quite a number of popular articles virtually identical to this over the past several decades (perhaps longer).  But do they really ponder &#8220;morality&#8221;.  Doesn&#8217;t morality come into the picture &#8212; isn&#8217;t it so difficult and frustrating &#8212; because it is precisely about going <i>beyond</i> empathy, consciously over-riding empathy because empathy uncorrected by morality is too often destructive?  Consciously over-riding the deepest social bonds of groups because they are so too often destructive to the most recent version of an advanced society that corresponds historically to the given morality?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Steve</title>
		<link>http://thesituationist.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-science-of-morality/#comment-10003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr.Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been having and interesting discussion on whether we can think ourselves to moral behavior and so was interested in the piece.
This quote is intriguing: &quot;None of this research may make us behave better, not right away at least. But all of it can help us understand ourselves–a small step up from savagery perhaps, but an important one.&quot;
1. Why won&#039;t the research make us better right now?
2. And if it won&#039;t, why should it do so in the future?
3. Why is understanding ourselves a step up from savagery? 
Heck, is the suggestion that what the world needs for less savagery is neuroscience? Or that pre-neuroscience societies are savage? 
Don&#039;t be so sure; psychopaths, another interest of mine, won&#039;t be slow to incorporate this knowledge into their amoral quests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been having and interesting discussion on whether we can think ourselves to moral behavior and so was interested in the piece.<br />
This quote is intriguing: &#8220;None of this research may make us behave better, not right away at least. But all of it can help us understand ourselves–a small step up from savagery perhaps, but an important one.&#8221;<br />
1. Why won&#8217;t the research make us better right now?<br />
2. And if it won&#8217;t, why should it do so in the future?<br />
3. Why is understanding ourselves a step up from savagery?<br />
Heck, is the suggestion that what the world needs for less savagery is neuroscience? Or that pre-neuroscience societies are savage?<br />
Don&#8217;t be so sure; psychopaths, another interest of mine, won&#8217;t be slow to incorporate this knowledge into their amoral quests.</p>
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